RP's prices and Mount Burner

[Angaros]

So I was looking through the mount burner to get a grip on the rules since one of my players has a horse (which he cannot ride yet) that he wants more details on. The rules look really, really good but I'm sort of missing an explanation of the different stocks. I know a bit from my Pendragon days when we travelled with a dozen horses each, but I would still like a short explanation in there. And then there's another thing. In "The Price of Horses" on p. 57, there are examples of RP costs for various stocks and their approximate equivalents in terms of wages. This is very interesting, but I believe there's a mistake made in the currencies. 1 sous ought to equal 12 denier/dernier, not 240. The livre - sous - dernier was equivalent (in rates, not worth) of the pound - shilling - pence/dram. And I believe the rate was 1:20/1:12.

Speaking of RPs and their worth. I understand that there is no direct correlation between RP and money, and that there is a new nfty Resource system in the revision but is there any way of translating RP worth into monetary worth at character creation?

[Thor]

This is very interesting, but I believe there's a mistake made in the currencies. 1 sous ought to equal 12 denier/dernier, not 240. The livre - sous - dernier was equivalent (in rates, not worth) of the pound - shilling - pence/dram. And I believe the rate was 1:20/1:12.

Speaking of RPs and their worth. I understand that there is no direct correlation between RP and money, and that there is a new nfty Resource system in the revision but is there any way of translating RP worth into monetary worth at character creation?

Hey Jocke. You are absolutely correct! This mistake was actually caught in the Revision and has been fixed. As for translating, you still use RPs to buy stuff in Character Burning. Spend them or they're gone. After that, under the new Resource mechanics, the GM will set an Ob based on how rare/expensive something is. The player will roll his character's Resource attribute to try to meet or exceed that Ob.

If I remember correctly, there is a spot in the Revision where Luke matches up various Obs for lifestyle maintenance with a rough equivalent in derniers, livres and sous.

On the whole though, the Mount Burner may require a few tweaks.

As for horse stocks, I'll let Abzu answer that question.

[Angaros]

Cool. How well would the new resource system mix with the old track-yer-coins system? It's hard to let go of the old one but I will have to read the new one and test it before I throw it out of course. So far, there's nothing in BW that I've completely removed.

[Thor]

Cool. How well would the new resource system mix with the old track-yer-coins system? It's hard to let go of the old one but I will have to read the new one and test it before I throw it out of course. So far, there's nothing in BW that I've completely removed.

Honestly, I would suggest dumping "track your coins." Instead, assign the players a Resources attribute based on what they have now and never look back. If they discover a cache of treasure, you tell them how many advantage dice it gives them (probably no more than 2D, unless they raid an immense hoard). On failed rolls, those get Taxed FIRST.

I've played with the Resources system for a while (as have Dro, Kublai, phredd and a number of others) and it's a lot of fun. You can inject a lot of drama into trading a deal-making with the new system, and your players will be VERY happy when they earn enough Tests to advance the attribute.

[Fourth Horseman]

Here's a simple conversion table for the various types of horses:

There are the warhorses:

Destrier = Badass Mother. . . "shut your mouth," that dude with the top knot who kicked Jeanne Claude Van Damme's ass into breaking his legs on a bamboo tree for revenge in bloodsport 25 or whatever the fuck that movie was. And let's be honest, should the dutchman really win the fight in the end?

But I digress . . .

Courser = The Playa, heavyweight champine of the world or whatever one of 5 million conferences out there offering heavywright belts.

And then the rest:

Palfrey = the dependable ringside trainer who will get you to the fight.
Hackney = the not so depenable trainer who may not get you to the fight--kind of like Rockie's brother in law . . .
Rouncey = no fighting analogy applicable, lets just compare this one to a gi. . . I mean auto--a moped, something you'd ride but wouldn't want to be seen riding. Actually maybe there is a ringside analogy here--think Adrienne, your prototypical sports movie wet blanket girlfriend screaming you can't win from the top of the staircase [failed steele test], who will sometimes show up ringside to support you [succesful high ob riding test].

I am such a geek . . .

Sumpter = another auto analogy will have to do here, a used pickup truck

[luke]

::falls off horse laughing::
:shock:
:lol:

[Viper]

that dude with the top knot who kicked Jeanne Claude Van Damme's ass into breaking his legs on a bamboo tree for revenge in bloodsport 25 or whatever the fuck that movie was.

I believe the movie you're looking for is Kickboxer




I am such a geek . . .

Me too, man, me too.

[Angaros]

Well that was a colorful explanation for sure. :) But aren't you confusing courser with charger? Coursers were usually light horses used for hunting or light cavalry, while charger were warhorses. The ones I was unsure about were mainly the riding/pack/draft horses. Did some research myself and came up with this:

* Charger
Warhorse.

* Courser (Cursarius and possibly Catzurius)
Fast horses mainly trained for riding or use in the hunt.

* Destrier (Dextrarius)
Big and powerful warhorse. I'm unsure whether there was any difference in type between charger and destrier. Charger could have been a term used for all kinds of warhorses. Dextrarius could, for example, imply that the horse was led with the right hand when not in war (by the squire), or that it was an especially skilled horse. Spanish and Italian horses were sometimes referred to as dextrari horses.

* Hackney (Haquenai)
Cheap riding horses sometimes used as pack or draft animals.

* Jennet/Jenny
Both used to denominate a breed of small Spanish horses and a crossbreed between a male horse and female donkey.

* Mule
Crossbreed between a female horse and a male donkey.

* Palfrey (Palefridus)
Fine riding horse. Often suitable for female riders with it's amble gait.

* Rouncey (Runcius)
The standard riding horse from the 13th century and onward. Was used as a draft horse before that and was also used as a warhorse by commoners not able to afford chargers or destriers. Typical sergeant-at-arms mount.