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jchokey
03-13-2008, 04:42 PM
In the Can I Circle the NPC standing next to me? (http://www.burningwheel.org/forum/showthread.php?p=55276#post55276) thread, Thor wrote something that threw me for a bit of a loop, as it seems to imply that my understanding of Circles may be flawed.

It's a bit of digression from the main point of that thread, bso I thought I'd start a separate thread here to make sure.

So, Thor wrote:



1. A character brought into play through your Circles is someone from your past. It establishes that you guys knew each other in one of your lifepaths. I do think it's fair, however, to use the Circles to bring someone in once you've met them in the fiction of the game.


But surely it's not *limited* to only bringing in characters known in the past (either one from a prior lifepath or one introduced after play started), is it?

Doesn't it also include the ability to find NPCs who you might not have previously known, but who you could reasonably *find* using existing social networks?

Let me given an example: I'm an itininerant/mendicant priest of the god Mubjub, an obscure deity with few worshippers and even fewer priests. I come to the city of Slobbor maybe once every two years, where there's a tiny shrine maintained by a small community of lay faithful. I want to do a Circles roll to see if I there are any new worshppers of Mubjub there since my last visit. The intent is "I want to find a worshipper of Mubjub in the city who I've never met before."

It seems to me that that ought to be possible, I mean, shouldn't the priest be able to find out about such a person,by asking those people he does know in the local Mubjub community, who might know of such a person even if he doesn't? Or is that really an inappropriate intent?

xenomouse
03-13-2008, 04:56 PM
The way that I understand it is that Circling allows you to bring in someone you have crossed paths in some way shape or form in your life. This encompasses everyone from childhood friends to that dude you totally cut off in traffic last week.

For your example, maybe there was somebody from Slobbor who traveled to your hometown for business five years ago, and before he went home, he stopped by your temple to worship.

Maybe during one of your trips to Slobbor, you were unintentionally rude to a waiter at an Inn. Now he's a recent convert to the Mubjub faith and doesn't think you're a fit priest.

Maybe on one of your trips to other towns you helped out a fellow in need, and he happened to be a Mubjubbian from Slobbor on his way to help his sick mother and he owes you one.

jchokey
03-13-2008, 05:24 PM
The way that I understand it is that Circling allows you to bring in someone you have crossed paths in some way shape or form in your life.

Certainly it can do that-- and the examples you suggest all make sense to me.

But my question is really about whether that's all Circles can do. That is to say, can Circles really *not* allow you to meet someone wholly new (but who, through your lifepaths and existing connections, you could have met-- or you should be able to make contact with).

To ask the same question another way: Is addiing is a condition/disposition/etc. to a Circles test, "... who I've never met before" an impossible intent?

Kublai
03-13-2008, 05:25 PM
Using Circles, you can totally bring in people you've never met, ever.

When I read Thor's post above, I understand "characters" as more of an archetype that you've might've met during that LP. Like instead of "Tom the butcher", you would've known a butcher.

luke
03-14-2008, 12:08 AM
Thor's crossed a wire on this one, I think. I'm fairly certain the "from your past" qualifier is specified in BE, not BW. The qualifier for BW is that they could reasonably be associated with your lifepaths.

Thor
03-14-2008, 09:31 AM
Thor's crossed a wire on this one, I think. I'm fairly certain the "from your past" qualifier is specified in BE, not BW. The qualifier for BW is that they could reasonably be associated with your lifepaths.

Fair enough.

xenomouse
03-14-2008, 09:43 AM
Thor's crossed a wire on this one, I think. I'm fairly certain the "from your past" qualifier is specified in BE, not BW. The qualifier for BW is that they could reasonably be associated with your lifepaths.
Out of curiosity, is there a reason for the difference?