Moving the Wheel Forward: An Open Letter

[luke]

Hi Folks,

I am literally just waking up after crashing post GenCon 04. I play hard, I sleep hard. And we played very hard at GenCon -- as a result we sold out of all of the BW sets and Monbus we went with!

As many of you have pointed out, I've been a bit cagey with BW's future over the last few months. Well, it's time to come clean.

First off, I have some small but important details to take care of this week: Shipping the Monster Burner preorders and the t-shirt orders. You folks are my first priority and I'll be getting your stuff to you shortly. Thanks for your patience.

After that, it's back to the Wheel.

A PDF of the "classic" Burning Wheel will be available for purchase and download by the end of the week. The file is unchanged since it went off to the printer exactly two years ago-- it's being released as is.

I've got to arrange things with key20 and redo my website to handle this, but it should be available soon. $15 for the pdf. Why? Because at this point, you are all well aware that BW's content is well worth the price. And because I know you all want to support what's coming next.

Classic Burning Wheel will not see print again: There will be no reprint.

There will be a complete rewrite and revision. I am very excited about this. Over the past two years I've learned a lot about myself, Burning Wheel and game design in general. I am, as I type this, channelling that knowledge and energy into the revision.

What's going to change? Most of it you're already aware of: Armor, Wounds and Artha being the biggies. But I'm also adding in Resources (wealth) mechanics, and debate mechanics called The Duel of Wits. These mechanics were developed quietly about a year ago and have been in playtest ever since. I'm certain you're going to like the results. In addition, I'm going to rewrite the text from the ground up. The core mechanics are not changing. But I found I can better and more clearly describe things these days. Lastly, I plan on adding a more indepth section on Actual Play in the Appendix.

The game will remain two books, with 1-color covers. Much of the art will be replaced. And the price, unfortunately will go up. I will do my level best to keep the price as low as possible, but in all honestly, the Burning Wheel $15 price tag undervalued the game. No one knew that at the outset of course, and the $15 tag was necessary to get people to try something new. But now we know the power of the Wheel, and by buying in at a higher price you're allowing me to do more for the game -- more books, more cons. And we all want that.

What if you already have the original set and don't want to buy a revised one? The Annual is being produced for just such loyal fans. It will contain all of the revisions/changes made to the basic set, plus some goodies that you can't get anywhere else. It will contain no art, and be priced as abosutely low as possible. The Annual will be the same format as the BW, but have a full-color cover to set it apart from the main books. It will be released concurrently with the Revision. (I only want to have to read and edit those chapters once!).

After that, I'm taking a break. A long break. A break until GenCon 2005 break.

During that time, Dro, Kublai, Emukt and Eru and I will be working on various little projects for the Wheel. Personally, I have two micro-burners like Serpent Sun that I'd like to do. One of these is the Wheel Burner which will describe what the Burning Wheel actually is and how to incorporate it into your games. Also, there will possibly be some settings for Ninjas and Pirates.

What about the Magic Burner? I'm not planning on doing another book until late 2005/early 2006. However, as we did for the Monster Burner, we'll be posting more and more free chapters in our downloads section. In fact, I am looking forward to writing the Enchanting chapter this winter.

I am working very hard to get the Annual and the Revision out this fall. Your lack of inquiries and "how's it goings" will be greatly appreciated. Producing this material is hard work, and those of you who've met me understand that I'm dedicated to the project. However, constant questions are a distraction and don't help. So help me, by just bearing with me a few months.

Adjunct to that, bear in mind that despite all the wonderful help I get from my friends, it's just me over here. One guy hacking away at his computer keyboard. So be patient. Life is unpredictable and there are no fixed deadlines here.

That said, the past two years have been the best of my life. I love producing this game and playing it with all of you. I am absolutely planning on making the next two even better.

Thank you for all your support, I look forward to firing your collective imagination in the future.

Keep burning,
-Luke

August 04

[Paka]

Fantastic.

Good luck with all of it.

I look forward to seeing what you've learned in the products to come.

[Wuxing]

In all honesty, do whatever you need to do to make an already great game better. I'm already of the opinion that the "alternate" rules add tons to the game. If that's any indication the game will definitely get stronger!

Good luck with the project. We'll keep the fires burning!

[rafial]

There will be a complete rewrite and revision. I am very excited about this. Over the past two years I've learned a lot about myself, Burning Wheel and game design in general. I am, as I type this, channelling that knowledge and energy into the revision.


Marvelous news. It's always nice to have stuff to look forward to.

And I hope that even as you strive for greater clarity in the rewrite, that you still allow your unique voice to come through. 'cause that's one of the things that makes the BW experience what it is.

-wilhelm

[Durgil]

Wow! Luke. What a great surprise! You can definitely count me in for two copies. :wink:

[Manicrack]

and this time,
set the price, so you're actually making something out of it.
I always feel guitly when I open my BW because I got such a good game for almost nothing.

-Crack

[phredd]

Awesome! Good luck. I think this is exactly what BW needs. Having played with the many of the new rules, I'm very impressed with them. They have all been improvements on an already great system. The new Resources stuff especially.

Looking forward to all of it.

[Jason Durall]

I've just recently discovered the existence of The Burning Wheel, and though I'd meant to pick it up at Gen Con, the swarm of indie designers buzzing around the racks at The Forge's booth actually kept me away from the stand. I generally loathe customer service, and having three designers hit me up in a row offering questions send me fleeing.

It was one of those games I meant to pick up later, but didn't get the chance (working as a booth/demo monkey for another company). (I've also had to order a copy of Dogs in the Vineyard online).

I'm dismayed to see, however, that at the same time as an apparently ass-kicking expansion to the game comes into print, the core rulebook is now out of print with no reprint.

This doesn't seem like good business sense to me.

I don't like buying big .pdfs - I don't like printing them out, don't like the extra cost, don't like that they aren't as durable as bound books, and feel kind of like a criminal if my players ask for the .pdf so they can print copies of their own.

That said, I am a customer who is dying to buy a physical copy of the game - do you know of anywhere I can do so?

If it is truly out of print and all copies are gone, I strongly urge you to consider the "no reprint" policy - as having a core book OOP is never a good idea.

[Kublai]

Psst. Hit eruditus up for his extra copies! :twisted:

[edomaur]

I'm dismayed to see, however, that at the same time as an apparently ass-kicking expansion to the game comes into print, the core rulebook is now out of print with no reprint.

This doesn't seem like good business sense to me.
As Abzu has said somewhere around, the 1st édition is OOP but a revised edition (the 1.5 ? or the 2nd édition ?) is on the way.

It is a maddening timing : BW come to the attention of the masses just when it hit the first OOP line and before the rev.ed.

[Jason Durall]

I've seen from the top of the thread that a revised edition is coming, but there wasn't a date or even an estimation of when it might appear.

Again, as I mentioned before, it seems screwy at the time of the game's big new expansion, at the peak of gamer attention, that the core rules go out of print.

I'd suggest even a limited reprint of 25 copies or so, if possible, just to handle the folks like me who've heard great things about Monster Burner and want to see what Burning Wheel is all about.

[luke]

If it is truly out of print and all copies are gone, I strongly urge you to consider the "no reprint" policy - as having a core book OOP is never a good idea.

James, I just want to double check that you saw the complete letter above:

Classic Burning Wheel will not see print again: There will be no reprint.

There will be a complete rewrite and revision. I am very excited about this. Over the past two years I've learned a lot about myself, Burning Wheel and game design in general. I am, as I type this, channelling that knowledge and energy into the revision.

So, no reprint. But we're moving forward to a better version of the game.

-L

[Jason Durall]

James, I just want to double check that you saw the complete letter above:

Umm... (looks around for someone named James)... if you're talking to me, I did read the letter above.

So, no reprint. But we're moving forward to a better version of the game.

So, to be clear:

The core game is now out of print. It could be reprinted, but you have not given any reasons why it won't be (unless it is for pricing reasons, but that can be easily remedied by raising the price a few bucks).

A new expansion (MB) is getting rave reviews, and word of mouth is encouraging new potential buyers to seek out the game.

However, they cannot do so, in anything other than .pdf format, which many gamers do not like.

You have announced a new edition, but have not indicated when it will appear other than possibly "this fall".

I'm just a bit surprised - most of the time, game supplements are to help spur sales of core books, and essentially, this is telling me that I'm SOL if I don't want to buy a .pdf.

[EDITED to be less snarky.]

[luke]

Umm... (looks around for someone named James)... if you're talking to me, I did read the letter above.

Sorry, Jason. I was at work and trying to attend to your questions as quickly as possible.

I answered your queries on rpg.net, but for the sake of those who missed that and are interested, I shall quote myself again:

Go easy on me, guys. Its not like I could predict the popularity of my game. By the time it sold out, I was too far along in production with the Monster Burner to turn back.

I'm not a "publishing company." It's just me over here, and I don't have an unlimited budget or unlimited time. Reprinting the game would have proved financially disastrous, so I decided to take it on the chin and produce a revised version.

So right now, long time fans of the game have something new and cool to play with. Everyone else is just going to have to wait. It's the best I can do.

thanks for your interest in the game.
-L

[Jason Durall]

If that's the way it is, good luck with the next edition. I'd have been happy to buy the current one, and buy a revised edition if I liked it.

If you do re-think the no reprint policy, or somehow manage to find some copies of your game, please drop me a line at jdurall@austin.rr.com.

But if .pdf is all you're offering, I'll pass for now. As I mentioned before, I have zero interest in buying a lengthy core rulebook in .pdf format, no matter what the price.

(I would encourage you to find a future printer who'll take orders for smaller print runs. The extra cost will even out in the end with the added convenience it will bring you.)

[joshua neff]

Luke, that sounds really cool. I eagerly anticipate getting the Annual.

[Andy K]

But if .pdf is all you're offering, I'll pass for now. As I mentioned before, I have zero interest in buying a lengthy core rulebook in .pdf format, no matter what the price.

Hey Jason. If you want, I can perhaps DL the PDF version of the Burning Wheel and do a POD copy for you, if you're interested. Giving $15 to Luke for his cut, and the cost of printing a single copy at POD, I figure it would only cost about $40-45 or so, possibly less ($35) if you want a few copies for your group. But highly worth it, if you don't want to go for the PDF or wait for the revised version.

(I would encourage you to find a future printer who'll take orders for smaller print runs. The extra cost will even out in the end with the added convenience it will bring you.)

Luke couldn't have predicted the success that his game would have. You just happened to get interested in the few-month period between prints. Sorry man, that's the way it goes. Patience. Grandstanding about what's best for "everyone" when you mean "me" won't get the revised version out any faster. So let's give Luke his due. The less time responding to queries is more time he can spend writing.

Thanks!

-Andy

ps:

I've seen from the top of the thread that a revised edition is coming, but there wasn't a date or even an estimation of when it might appear.

I am working very hard to get the Annual and the Revision out this fall.

That's a pretty good estimation, IMO.

[Jason Durall]

Thanks for the offer, but I'd really like an original bound copy of the thing (my experiences with POD and .pdf have been entirely negative - and I just like properly bound books, basically).

As my post above mentioned, if such copies are made available, I'd be happy to send him my money. Eagerly.

You just happened to get interested in the few-month period between prints. Sorry man, that's the way it goes. Patience. Grandstanding about what's best for "everyone" when you mean "me" won't get the revised version out any faster. So let's give Luke his due. The less time responding to queries is more time he can spend writing.

I'm not sure how honest advice about print options (and I used to work as a print coordinator for a major medical publisher - spending at least 20 hours weekly dealing with printers - so I know a little about what I'm talking about) should be considered grandstanding.

It's honest advice, too, not just selfishness.

I want indie rpgs to do well, to sell well, to reach the masses, and for those who want to write them to make money at it. I've bought dozens of indie and small-press RPGs over the years, have written two (but not published them yet) and have a shelf full of them in my office at work. Even if I never play it, I find that a game will always have something to help me in my gaming, my writing, or my professional career as a computer game designer.

I'm not trying to antagonize Luke here, or any of the BW fans. I'd like to join their ranks if the game is as cool as people say it is.

As I mentioned it before - having a core book out of print while a kick-ass expansion has just been released seems (to my mind) inexplicable and should be avoidable at all costs.

As WotC's big consumer study proved, all expansion and source materials do one major thing - they drive sales of the core book. If, for example, the game has been out for 10 months, and printed 1000 physical copies, and sold out, it's averaged 100 copies per month in sales. Having a core book out of print for three months means that that's 300 copies not being sold. This is of course a simplistic analysis of the market, but I'm not privy to Luke's sales figures.

This means that for 3-5 months, in all likelihood, anyone finding Monster Burner in the store will say to the clerk "Where's the core book?" - and given retailer awareness, they'll probably hear that the line is dead, being sold to Decipher, or now only being published in Esperanto. Anyone hearing about it online will probably not find this message thread explaining it's out of print, or that a new edition is coming. They'll just turn away and not buy anything.

Seeking it out - trying to find an online store that has it in stock (I've tried about a dozen), registering for the game's forum just to communicate with the author how much I want to buy his game, should be welcomed rather than discouraged, shouldn't it?

Being told essentially (both here and on rpg.net by fans of the game) tough luck, shut up, and wait (even if it is politely said), isn't the most customer-friendly option.

And I know he said he's working on the revision for the fall - but you know, I wrote a sourcebook for the Amber RPG ten years ago that still hasn't seen print, and until a few months ago, I got periodic e-mails from the publisher telling me that he was doing his best to get it done and it should be out soon.

Things happen... sometimes games don't ship on time. I worked on the Game of Thrones RPG for Guardians of Order and on books in The Lord of the Rings RPG line as well, and have seen the schedule pushed back on AGoT by over a year and a half and to "never" for the LotR books by forces outside the publisher's ability to control.

[Jason Durall]

I've seen from the top of the thread that a revised edition is coming, but there wasn't a date or even an estimation of when it might appear.

I am working very hard to get the Annual and the Revision out this fall.

That's a pretty good estimation, IMO.

Luke's "Life is unpredictable and there are no fixed deadlines here." seems inestimable, to me at least.

[Andy K]

Being told essentially (both here and on rpg.net by fans of the game) tough luck, shut up, and wait (even if it is politely said), isn't the most customer-friendly option.

Yeah. Unfortunately, that's all there is to go with for now, though. You just happened to fall in that rare 3 or so month downtime.

On the brighter side, I'm positive that there's a store or two out there that's got some copies. Have you tried Space-Crime Continuum? Email the owner (Chris Aylott), if anyone can find it he can.

Otherwise, you're at an impasse: You wont download the PDF, and Luke won't invest the time and money to pursue an extremely limited "to tide over the 20 people between the old and new editions" printing without sacrificing time and money to get his new edition out to everybody. Can't be helped. The only virtue here that will assist is patience, I'm afraid.

And I know he said he's working on the revision for the fall - but you know, I wrote a sourcebook for the Amber RPG ten years ago that still hasn't seen print, and until a few months ago, I got periodic e-mails from the publisher telling me that he was doing his best to get it done and it should be out soon.

Things happen... sometimes games don't ship on time. I worked on the Game of Thrones RPG for Guardians of Order and on books in The Lord of the Rings RPG line as well, and have seen the schedule pushed back on AGoT by over a year and a half and to "never" for the LotR books by forces outside the publisher's ability to control.

And you've just hit the nail on the head the difference between self-publishing and publishing for another company. When you self publish, YOU control when a game is released. When you work for someone else, THEY control when a game is released.

If Luke says, "Hey guys, I'll have this out in the Fall", and he doesn't, it's on his head- it'll be his fault. It won't be because "The CEO wants to wait for the spring", or "The editor demanded a revision", or "We're having problems settling the licensing deal". It's all on one man. And from what we've seen of Luke so far, he's inhuman. He is A Machine. Luke is an unstoppable publishing force whom I imagine would rather pierce his scrotum with an 8 gauge needle than disappoint his fans. So, in this case, I don't think the burden of proof is on Luke to proove that he CAN make a late Fall/Winter printing. I think that the burden of proof is on naysayers to proove that he CAN NOT.

-Andy

[Paka]

And from what we've seen of Luke so far, he's inhuman. He is A Machine. Luke is an unstoppable publishing force whom I imagine would rather pierce his scrotum with an 8 gauge needle than disappoint his fans. So, in this case, I don't think the burden of proof is on Luke to proove that he CAN make a late Fall/Winter printing. I think that the burden of proof is on naysayers to proove that he CAN NOT.


Uh, no pressure, Luke.

[foxandwarlock]

And that bit about the 8 guage nail....whoo. I hope it never comes to that for your sake. :shock:

[Jason Durall]

On the brighter side, I'm positive that there's a store or two out there that's got some copies. Have you tried Space-Crime Continuum? Email the owner (Chris Aylott), if anyone can find it he can.

See my previous post - I searched a dozen or so online distributors (including SCC), and called my own FLGSs, to no avail. Sent queries to a few stores - haven't heard back from anyone.

If I see the new and revised BW in stores, I'll probably pick it up.

But I find it odd reading things like 'extremely limited "to tide over the 20 people between the old and new editions" printing' in one place, and other phrases like 'sold out' and 'the success that his game would have' in the same thread.

At this point, I'm giving up on actively trying to find a copy, though.

As mentioned before, if copies turn up somewhere or the no reprint policy is reversed for me and the other 19 folks, I've provided my contact info in the thread above.

[Durgil]

I bought a second copy of both books a while back because I like to take notes in the copy that I read all the time, and I wanted a clean copy to loan to players, when I someday acquired a few. :wink: Anyway, since the main rules are going to be released as a .pdf (which fine for me) and a revision will be out in a few months, I figure I can let go of that second copy I picked up. It is both The Burning Wheel rule book and the Character Burner book numbered 751 of 1000, and they are both in excellent shape (hardly been touched). I'll get them up on eBay (http://www.ebay.com/) sometime this weekend. I know it won't help everyone wanting for a copy, but at least one more gamer out there will be able to play the best RPG there is, IMHO.

[Drozdal]

but at least one more gamer out there will be able to play the best RPG there is, IMHO.
And what about Harnmaster? :wink:

Drozdal

[luke]

I'll get them up on eBay (http://www.ebay.com/) sometime this weekend. I know it won't help everyone wanting for a copy, but at least one more gamer out there will be able to play the best RPG there is, IMHO.

Hi all,
see my thread here (http://burningwheel.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=634) for my thoughts on this.

Let's keep this thread focused on the topics in the Open Letter and not turn this into a "where can I get the game?" thread.

thanks,
-L

[Durgil]

And what about Harnmaster? :wink:

For what I look for in a gaming environment HârnWorld is the best setting that I have ever seen, but IMO The Burning Wheel Fantasy Roleplaying System kicks HârnMaster's ass! :twisted:

[mythusmage]

Help me Portable Document Format, you're my only hope.

(Are you aware of how much wear and tear cowering puts on your knees?)

[Tom B]

And what about Harnmaster? :wink:

For what I look for in a gaming environment HârnWorld is the best setting that I have ever seen, but IMO The Burning Wheel Fantasy Roleplaying System kicks HârnMaster's ass! :twisted:

Um.....nevermind. Obviously the wrong forum in which to disagree... :wink:

[Durgil]

...but IMO The Burning Wheel Fantasy Roleplaying System kicks HârnMaster's ass! :twisted:

Um.....nevermind. Obviously the wrong forum in which to disagree... :wink:
Please keep in mind, Tom B., that I didn't say HârnMaster sucks ass or anything like that. It's a very good system that I have played for quite awhile; I just think that highly of The Burning Wheel Fantasy Roleplaying System. 8)

...of course the normal disclaimer of "IMHO" always applies - even in this forum. :wink:

[DaGreatJL]

This is why I'm a bit baffled at why there's no plan for a reprint - copies on shelves are always a good thing.


See the following thread for some possible reasons on why Luke's not reprinting:http://www.indie-rpgs.com/viewtopic.php?t=11266

[Donny D.]

This is great news Luke. I can't wait to order the Revised Edition (will Pre-orders be offered?). I certainly hope you charge no less than 25 bucks for it (I'd pay 30 for it- and I just bought the original game-however I would not pay 15 bucks for PDF) I only wish a setting would be provided (or a World Burner would be cool!) Anyways, just wanted to let you know I'm all for a revised edition. I believe that if this is really a 'hobby' for you then you need to do whatever you can to keep this burning wheel rolling- and that means $ in your pocket. I've said my whole life I would love to be able to make money doing what I love (I've never said 'boy I hope I don't make any money doing what I love'- which is sort of what it sounded like you were saying on another post.) Games are my hobby, and I'm willing to pay good money for my hobby. Why should I pay WotC my 30 bucks for 1/3 of their basic game (3 Core books) when I can give the designer and promoter of a game 30 bucks for the whole game. I admire you greatly Luke. I have seen your enthusiasm at the Cons, and envy your gamemastering skills (and hope to someday emulate them). I wish the absolute best for Burning Wheel and I think WE can have the best if you are not creatively hampered by money matters. I hope BW sales keep you happily in front of your playtesters and computer to bring us many more awsome game products

[Pheel]

I'm not asking for an ETA of when Burning Wheel (Revised) will see print.

So many variables; the inevitable disappointment of fans when promise dates are missed (cough! TEKUMEL! cough! cough!); the growing annoyance of the author(s) having to deal with whining gameboys clamoring for their next fix.

So, that's exactly what I'm not asking for. Not at all.

Not even remotely curious.

<whistles nonchalantly, looks around nice and slow, nips off to bed>

[luke]

i dunno, but i did write a 240 page book last month.

i wonder if i can write another one this month.
-L

[Yagathai]

240 pages? When I was a kid, we had to write 240 pages a week! No, make that a day! And we liked it!

[mythusmage]

Words per page?

[BradfordFerguson]

I used to feel bad for Luke, but he's stubborn, and doesn't have good business sense. I even offered in the past to help him print more copies of Burning Wheel, but he refused.

At GenCon, they were selling the Monster Burner for $20.00 and you would get a discount on the Burning Wheel set if you both the set and MB. The BW set was still priced at $15.00, despite him knowing that he needed to raise the price.

I went to buy a copy of the set, though I already had a set and Luke tried to get me to not buy it--thinking I would turn around and sell it on eBay. I bought it for someone else I game with that collects RPGs and also because there are no copies of the game in the hands of Chicago gamers. A vast majority of the copies are in the hands of gamers in the northeast and Ohio (maybe Pennsylvania too). The guy at the Forge checkout offered a $5 discount, making the total $30, but I refused.

[luke]

Bad business? Who's got the award-winning, fan-boy drooling game?
;)

Hi Brad! How've you been?

You may think the game was cheap, but it all evens out in the end. Now you've got to pay another $25 for the Revision! Muahahahah.

Oh, and I think Keith (bobgoat), Oscar (Wuxing), Phil (Raemos) and Neil (foxandwarlock) would be very sad to here that they are not in Chicago and playing Burning Wheel.

heh.

[LordSmerf]

Oh, and I think Keith (bobgoat), Oscar (Wuxing), Phil (Raemos) and Neil (foxandwarlock) would be very sad to here that they are not in Chicago and playing Burning Wheel. [Emphasis added]
I just wanted to highlight this. I think it has something to do with my "Self-destructive" Trait, or perhaps my "Foolishly Taunt the GM" Skill whihc is G6.

Thomas

[luke]

Ok, I think we need to start giving out artha and tests for advancement on the forums.

Thomas, take a routine test toward Copy Edit and Annoy.

Also, take a point of blartha. That's black artha. It corrupts and destroys all your good artha.

Go ahead. Write it down. Put it in your sig.

Thomas: 1 pt Blartha.

-L

[Kublai]

Oh, and I think Keith (bobgoat), Oscar (Wuxing), Phil (Raemos) and Neil (foxandwarlock) would be very sad to here that they are not in Chicago and playing Burning Wheel. [Emphasis added]
I just wanted to highlight this. I think it has something to do with my "Self-destructive" Trait, or perhaps my "Foolishly Taunt the GM" Skill whihc is G6.

Thomas

Is that your "Pot Calling the Kettle Black" trait in action? If so, take a point of Fate.

[jc_madden]

black artha

oooh so it's like negative chi!

[luke]

Oh, and I think Keith (bobgoat), Oscar (Wuxing), Phil (Raemos) and Neil (foxandwarlock) would be very sad to here that they are not in Chicago and playing Burning Wheel. [Emphasis added]
I just wanted to highlight this. I think it has something to do with my "Self-destructive" Trait, or perhaps my "Foolishly Taunt the GM" Skill whihc is G6.

Thomas

Is that your "Pot Calling the Kettle Black" trait in action? If so, take a point of Fate.

Pete, take a Fate point for playing your "He Who Bears the Lash" trait for humor.

Also: JC, Pete, you each get a point of Blartha.

Anyone else care to make an off-topic comment? I'll start awarding Deeds Blartha.
-L

[jc_madden]

Ok, I think we need to start giving out artha and tests for advancement on the forums.

Thomas, take a routine test toward Copy Edit and Annoy.

Also, take a point of blartha. That's black artha. It corrupts and destroys all your good artha.

Go ahead. Write it down. Put it in your sig.

Thomas: 1 pt Blartha.

-L

Go ahead and take one too for not moving this to a new thread. :P

[luke]

Sorry, buddy. You forgot about my trait: "I Fucking Created This Mess".

That's two blartha for you.

Guess where blartha gets used on the forum? The Arena. Oh yes. You're going to love it.

And the only reason I haven't deleted these threads is to remind me of the blartha allocations. If YOU don't put them in your sigs, I'm going to.

:shock:

[jc_madden]

Like Judd Nelson in the breakfast club...... I'll be the blartha KING!

[Thor Olavsrud]

Like Judd Nelson in the breakfast club...... I'll be the blartha KING!

Oh? You want another? I'm relishing the opportunity to burn some of your Blartha once I have time to ref some more matches.

You mess with a bull, you get the horns.

[luke]

Like Judd Nelson in the breakfast club...... I'll be the blartha KING!

Ok. Now I can safely delete this. I promise, you're not going to like blartha.

-L