Burning Wheel as single volume

[luke]

Burning Wheel as a single volume, discuss.

-L

[Saint&Sinner]

Burning Wheel as a single volume, discuss.

-L

Hard back please. :D

[Z-Dog]

If you're keeping the same sized pages, that'll be another brick to haul around.

I like BWR as two books: easy to hold, easy to transport, easy to share. I'd think you'd have to make it hardback to make it one volume, and that'd mean the price would go up, I think.

[Dwight]

Burning Wheel as a single volume, discuss.

-L

I'm all for it if it includes reworking BW to include some key BWHQ "house rules" and advances in understanding in the collective knowledge base spread throughout these forums and Wiki, up the page size somewhat (the Brick is just too thick, and this would be thicker yet), organize the Char Bu and Monster Bu so I don't have to guess which of several locations a Skill or Trait is found in without doing the flip-flip-flip dance. ;)

[Paul B]

Will it come as a PDF?

p.

[rafial]

Initial reaction not positive. They existing books have an excellent form factor. Compare with BE, which is an awkward brick. Going to the standard 8x11 RPG hardback format would perhaps be feasible.

On the other hand if the single book format got BW into markets that are currently difficult for it, why not?

[Aramis]

I'm of the "Consolidate & rework to BWRR" (Burning Wheel Revised Revised)... But I think the actual contents of BWRR would be a matter for a different thread... (I much prefer the BE separation of circles and resources.)

The brick doesn't intimidate me at all, and a BE sized brick is actually better for me than 3x 200pp softbacks. My preference would be for a PDF, either with or in parallel, tho', as making copies from the brick is a pain. Perhaps as a preorder perq?

[eruditus]

Hmmm, okay there are some spin offs here so, Luke, if you think these are seperate topic say the word and I will start new threads.

1) Current size and format is a must. This is the most important aspect of the artifacts for me. I would really hate standard formats (8 1/2x11) and the 200ish pages make the books super handy. Call me a frak but I have a jacket with a inside pocket that I carry one of the two books. I would be sad if such portability were lost for the sake of an update.

2) To ask a follow-up question do you mean the main two or all four books?

2a) Just the two main books? Probably not. I like not having to "handle" the character burner stuff when looking for circles or artha.

2b) All four books? Again, not so much but all four books into two I could probably get behind. All the character/triait stuff in one book and the rulsey stuff in the other? Cool!

3) PDF is a must. I will always pay more for the PDF. It means I don't have to carry the books with me anywhere because they are on my laptop or accesible through my iPhone. Also searches and copy and pasting make play and convention games SO much easier to run.

4) I'd prefer to see another campaign/supplement than a revision.

Thanks for asking,
- Don

[Rafe]

I like consolidation, though I must say I like the idea of it being in two volumes. A big part of Monster Burner could be in the "new" Character Burner with much of the Magic Burner (sans lifepaths) in the "new" main RPG book.

[stormsweeper]

Are we talking just the BWR set as a single volume, or integrating all the "core" books? If anything, I'd like an old school boxed set with like 20 little pamphlets in there.

[luke]

Sorry, Burning Wheel plus Character Burner as one soft-cover volume. 608 pages makes it bigger than the Monster Burner, but smaller than BE (by about a quarter inch).

No revision but reorganization of traits and skills. No PDF.

Continue.

[Gugudada]

I also vote for either Hardback or a stronger paperback cover.


G

[technomonkey]

Given what Luke said, I like it as is. It makes it more convenient when multiple people want to look something up. Also, all the books right now are about the same thickness. It'd be weird with one book that's much thicker, compared to the Monster Burner and Magic Burner. But then again, it's not like you're going to come into my house and replace my two volumes with one. And why does everyone want hardback?

[Glendower]

Two smaller books are easier to transport. Two smaller books are on different topics, and are easier to reference. Two smaller books can be shared between two people.

One of these smaller books, the character burner, is not referenced as much post character creation. Having it glued onto the main rulebook makes it cumbersome to flip through.

The two smaller books have better longevity as they are not as subject to spinal damage as one larger book. (My BE book has seen better days)

All in all, I'm in favor of the two smaller books. I have never had an issue with Trait organization, and only minor problems with Skill organization, as I really wished there were skill types listed in the Page 300 CB index to make Practical Magic and Practice Times easier to figure out.

[Clyde Rhoer]

I'd love a hardback, whether as two books or one book, but hardback.

[elmago79]

I would also love a hardback, but in the two book aproach.

As they are, the books are pretty manageable, look quite nice on the shelf along MonBu and MagBu, and are easy to reference and use. What benefits are there for a single book?

[Saint&Sinner]

Given what Luke said, minimal interest other than the increased durability of a hardback. I was hoping for incorporating lessons learned on wiki/forum, full sized with all four books, tight reorganization with master index, trait, skill, spell lists. I'd buy at least one hardback since I'm 'burning' through my second copy already. Any suggestions on re-binding these books when the glue fails?

[John Anderson]

...Burning Wheel plus Character Burner as one soft-cover volume. 608 pages...

Hi all,
I'm not sure what benefits this format would provide really. From my POV, I'd be just as happy sticking with the same format that we have now. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
John

[Dwight]

Sorry, Burning Wheel plus Character Burner as one soft-cover volume. 608 pages makes it bigger than the Monster Burner, but smaller than BE (by about a quarter inch).

No revision but reorganization of traits and skills. No PDF.

Continue.

I dislike that change in proportions. Too fat for it's size. I really like the current proportions, so you'd need something like 9.5" x 6.3" (I don't know the math) or something to have it work out. With nothing else on the table (hardcover doesn't mean much to me, if anything it's a slight negative) I can't see myself shelling out for it.

Just a data point of course, but this from someone that is very likely to buy a 4th printing for the errata (my numbered copy is starting to show it's age, I think I'm going to retire it to the bookshelf).

[David Artman]

As long as you're polling, let's be real:

* I would not buy a thicker soft cover, two-volume book.
* I would consider hardcover options, in the current two-book, digest setup; but only if I could also get MaBu and MonBu in hard cover.
* With the above in mind, I would leap at a boxed, four-book, hard cover set; ideally if the box stores them "2x2" and not "4x1" (i.e. they'd not be a wide 6"x9" brick but more like a thick 9"x12" slab).

My reasons are simple:
- I already own all four; without a major revision or the increased durability of hard cover, nothing motivates me to re-buy them.
- As it now stands, I transport all four soft covers in a backpack using one of those plastic "inbox" trays to protect their soft corners. A box case would replace that inbox tray; and hard covers would keep the box even more rigid (boxes, too, can get bashed-in corners, like my Watchmen boxed hardback did, dammit!).

On that note... You could sell me a two-up, two-thick (2x2) box/slip cover for my existing four books in a heartbeat. If you want to float out a sort of "premium" product, for the discriminating collector.

Or about 30 BW dice in the three colors, but we've burnt that horse already.... ;)

[luke]

I didn't realize the words "soft cover" didn't translate into your various languages.

So let me try this: NO HARD COVER. Hard cover = MORE MONEY.

The benefit: complete reorg/integration of skills and traits.

Discuss.
-L

[stormsweeper]

For me personally, I prefer the multi-volume approach. I could see that it is confusing to many people that BWR is a two book set that is sold as a single unit (as evidenced by various postings on RPG.net and elsewhere), so a single volume edition could be helpful there. There certainly is a perception out in the wild that games that need more than one book are too messy.

By the trait/skill reorg, I presume you mean to the "new style" as seen in Blossoms, MagBu, and BE?

[Dwight]

I didn't realize the words "soft cover" didn't translate into your various languages.

So let me try this: NO HARD COVER. Hard cover = MORE MONEY.

Discuss.
-L

Mea culpa. I was distracted by the chattering of monkeys squealing 'hard cover' from the tree tops. :) My comment was more of the variety of "even at the same price hard cover is a slight negative".

[Dwight]

By the trait/skill reorg, I presume you mean to the "new style" as seen in Blossoms, MagBu, and BE?

I mean closer to BE, where everything from all the stocks are together. You'd have to denote Skills as "Dwarven" or "Elven" etc. Maybe I'd even live with more thickness if you brought the Mo Bu stuff in (EDIT: and the few MagBu additions?). I'm not sure about that, I'm just firing out ideas here.

But to be clearer about what I've seen from Luke so far: I'll buy your old stock and even forgo new printings before I'd get a "fat" book. I don't think even the sweetest of cover art (if that's in the deal?) could convince me otherwise. Without a reorg of the CharBu section I can see the page flipping only getting worse.

[Z-Dog]

Sorry, Burning Wheel plus Character Burner as one soft-cover volume. 608 pages makes it bigger than the Monster Burner, but smaller than BE (by about a quarter inch).

No revision but reorganization of traits and skills. No PDF.

Continue.

I still like the two volume set, but it IS a little awkward flipping back and forth sometimes.

Reorganizing traits and skills? Awesome. I'd buy it.

[Z-Dog]

So let me try this: NO HARD COVER. Hard cover = MORE MONEY.
-L

Yeah, as beautiful as hardcovers are, that price increase is ugh.

$25 bucks for a complete rpg = awesome. Still the best deal in town.

[Daniel H.]

Two smaller books are easier to transport. Two smaller books are on different topics, and are easier to reference. Two smaller books can be shared between two people.

One of these smaller books, the character burner, is not referenced as much post character creation. Having it glued onto the main rulebook makes it cumbersome to flip through.
Really? My group is constantly referencing Skills and Traits in play. While I like the two-book approach for learning the game and character creation, for referencing at the table I wish everything was under one cover.

[luke]

By the trait/skill reorg, I presume you mean to the "new style" as seen in Blossoms, MagBu, and BE?

Yar.

[Dwight]

Really? My group is constantly referencing Skills and Traits in play. While I like the two-book approach for learning the game and character creation, for referencing at the table I wish everything was under one cover.

But they are two different types of activities in my experience. I don't normally flip between the Char Bu and the Core. When I have a question in mind I usually pick up one or the other. There are a couple places where the two intersect, where the role of each book isn't clear and discrete, but that's primarily around PTGS/injuries and maybe Attribute calculations.

Having it split means 3 sets can cover 5 people more easily. I've also got this nifty little thing in my hands. I really got used to the size, 12x9 feels so huge now. I think the natural grouping of the 4 books so far are Mag Bu with Core, Char Bu with Mon Bu. If I was reducing book count that's where I'd look first. And make the book forms maybe Agone sized or MG sized.

EDIT: I'm guessing Adventure Burner would also get lumped with Mon Bu. Or at least with portions of the Mon Bu (Trait creation, 100 Questions). That's a book that only gets referred to periodically, and is more optional.

[Saint&Sinner]

I'm guessing Adventure Burner would also get lumped with Mon Bu. Or at least with portions of the Mon Bu (Trait creation, 100 Questions). That's a book that only gets referred to periodically, and is more optional.

There's an Adventure Burner Book?

Also, I'm under the impression Luke's only discussing a single volume revamp of BWR. Mon Bu and Mag Bu are not a part of this thread, right?

[Dwight]

There's an Adventure Burner Book?

If you believe hard enough it will happen. ;) It's something that Luke's considered doing, to "complete" BW. He might be working on it. He might work on it in the future.


Also, I'm under the impression Luke's only discussing a single volume revamp of BWR. Mon Bu and Mag Bu are not a part of this thread, right?

My comments are larger than the original scope, yes. But I think still somewhat relevant to "does combining the core and Char Bu make sense?"

[Dwight]

Will it come as a PDF?

p.

BTW I know you were kidding but with cats and dogs living together in a frozen over hell (http://rpg.drivethrustuff.com/product_info.php?products_id=60679) I think you are just tempting fate. :)

[Thor]

We are only discussing the Burning Wheel and Character Burner as a single volume. We're not discussing the Monster Burner, Magic Burner or a hypothetical Adventure Burner in this thread.

[Z-Dog]

Really? My group is constantly referencing Skills and Traits in play. While I like the two-book approach for learning the game and character creation, for referencing at the table I wish everything was under one cover.

I'll second this.

[technomonkey]

Would the single volume have a different price?

[Rafe]

I would support a single volume for the main two books. I think the current dimensions of the books should be fine for a new merged book. (I just slapped the two books together and it wouldn't be unwieldy or put a lot of strain on the spine, I don't think.)

[Paul B]

BTW I know you were kidding but with cats and dogs living together in a frozen over hell (http://rpg.drivethrustuff.com/product_info.php?products_id=60679) I think you are just tempting fate. :)

Oh man! My dream is an indexed, searchable RPG in a Kindle-friendly format. Smart tagging and categorization so, like, each conceptual block of information (chapter, node, however you wanted to do it) would come up when you put in a keyword.

I'd probably pay $75-100 for that, actually. Imagine being able to input "Damage" and pull up the damage chapter, rules on shade-shifted damage, healing rules, references to weapon stats, rules for breaching materials, etc.

p.

[luke]

Oh man! My dream is an indexed, searchable RPG in a Kindle-friendly format. Smart tagging and categorization so, like, each conceptual block of information (chapter, node, however you wanted to do it) would come up when you put in a keyword.

I'd probably pay $75-100 for that, actually. Imagine being able to input "Damage" and pull up the damage chapter, rules on shade-shifted damage, healing rules, references to weapon stats, rules for breaching materials, etc.

p.
You sincerely overestimate the market for PDF/electronic products.

[Paul B]

Oh, I don't care about other people. I'm just expressing my own selfish desires here. And no, if I were a publisher I'd never consider such a thing w/o some very, very clear way to make a profit off all that work.

p.

[Clyde Rhoer]

Now that you have spoken my language... No two column layout, no hardcover. In that world, I really prefer BW in the two book format. A super fat paperback is going to be ruined by me so quickly that it would be a no-go. I wouldn't buy it. As is I'm planning to replace my set of the easier to handle books this year.

[Thor]

I would support a single volume for the main two books. I think the current dimensions of the books should be fine for a new merged book. (I just slapped the two books together and it wouldn't be unwieldy or put a lot of strain on the spine, I don't think.)

It would be approximately 3 centimeters, or 1.2 inches thick. For comparison, the Monster Burner is roughly 2 centimeters thick and BE is roughly 4 centimeters thick.

[Jaroslav]

I like the two-book format, I think, unless there's some clever way that the content of the two books would be integrated to make it an easier-to-use reference. I'm not sure what that would be, though. I don't think that I would replace my current books without a substantial change in content... or a real, professionally-created index. (Yes, I know that option is not on the table, and is too expensive for BWHQ, but, with all this wish-list talk, I just couldn't help mentioning it.)

[DarthMidget]

I don't care about format. If there is a revised skill/trait list for BW then I'll pay you money.

[Z-Dog]

It would be approximately 3 centimeters, or 1.2 inches thick. For comparison, the Monster Burner is roughly 2 centimeters thick and BE is roughly 4 centimeters thick.

That's not bad at all.

[Z-Dog]

... or a real, professionally-created index.

I think the index is already amazingly well done.

[vikingmonkey]

I fall in the "stick to the two-book format" camp. I like the look and the feel of the books - call it quirky, but there's just something "cozy" about the format of the books as is.

[DaGreatJL]

I would not buy The Burning Wheel and The Character Burner as a single volume.

Putting the first 2 books together would make it not a 5 book set. This seems... blasphemous.

[steve]

Im gonna lay down my preference for the two book format. That said I already have the two book format so it would only affect me if I was to buy another set.

Are there any costs savings for the publisher to have a single thicker book printed as opposed to two smaller books?

[Liam]

I'd have to say I prefer the current two book format.

But, in all honesty, I buy a new copy of whichever book whenever you make a new printing with errata.

So, if you make it, I will by it.

[Episkopos]

The benefit: complete reorg/integration of skills and traits.

Discuss.
-L

I don't like the way the CharBu is currently organized. A complete reorganization would be wonderful. I'd like to see all skills together, all traits together (including the special ones that only available to specific races) so that they are easier to find during a game as well as chargen.

Assuming 1 set of books to go around, the 2 book format gives you the ability as the GM to pass one book around while still having the other one available for reference. This works great if the players want to look up something in CharBu. It seems more rare that the GM wants to look up something in the CharBu while the players want the core rules.

As a consumer, I was a little confused about whether I needed to buy both books or not. I think Key20 bundled them so it wasn't a big issue.

I think I'd rather have one book.

Thanks,
Billy

[luke]

Putting the first 2 books together would make it not a 5 book set. This seems... blasphemous.

I know! This is a major consideration.

[Judd]

I likes it as is but maybe I need to look over Blossoms and MagBu closer to see the way they organize traits and skills.

But off the top of my head, as is.

[ThisIsVictor]

If it ain't broken. . .

[Aramis]

Luke's "no revision, no hardcover, no PDF, only reorg and errata" puts it to rest for me: no sale.

A 600p digest size is really just not that good an idea without a hard cover. Makes me think "Ugly spine creasing issues" and the resulting "damage to spine turning into multiple chunks of book."

[Dwight]

The benefit: complete reorg/integration of skills and traits.

My brain must have been turned off yesterday, and I got completely backwards on this line. Ok, I'd live with the fatter size for this. I'd much rather it remain 2 books which I'd be at the front of the line to rebuy for the Trait/Skill reorg in 2 form books (doubly so for the 'boxset' when that comes down the pike). That'd even allow a slightly fatter Char Bu to bring in those few missing bits for humans that got put in other books.

But honestly, I'd probably suck it up and buy the 'fattie' in one book form just for the reorg. I'd be sad though. ;)


I think Key20 bundled them so it wasn't a big issue.

Aren't the books always sold strapped together with a little cardboard strip? That's the only way I've ever seen it on display on shelves.

[Z-Dog]

If I was a new consumer (like I was with BE), I'd like it in one book. I don't know exactly why! Something about taking a risk on a new product and wanting to get the whole thing (even though, I know, you get all you need in the two books which are bundled together).

[Akfu]

I am firmly in the prefer two books camp. I have had similar issues to the previously expressed "easier to share two books" issue since we had two sets of books and 5 people @ the table.

That being said, I can see why people might prefer a re-org. Is a compromise option a re-org that still leaves BW in two book format? Or would the way the re-org lines need to be drawn between material prohibit that?

[gooderguy]

i'd buy it just to have, but i'm actually very happy with the two volumes.

personally, i don't think it's worth your effort unless you were to do a BW 3.0

the things work great as is, and the two book design is part of the quirky idiosyncracy that makes BW cool.

[stormsweeper]

Aren't the books always sold strapped together with a little cardboard strip? That's the only way I've ever seen it on display on shelves.

They are (they even share an ISBN!), but this seems to cause confusion for people.

[Aramis]

They are (they even share an ISBN!), but this seems to cause confusion for people.

One store I know of split the two apart. Sold them separately. Said store is now out of business.

[cathexis]

Looking at my bookcase I see a bunch of 400+ page mass market paperbacks (I know, not exactly the same as what we're talking about here) with some wicked spine creasing so my own feeling is to go ahead with the reorganization but still keep them separated in two books. So basically exactly what Dwight said half-way up the page.

Plus I like the mental differentiation between the two books: in this book we have all the "system" stuff, in that book we have (almost) all the character stuff, in the 3rd/4th/5th/what have you books we have book specifc stuff.

[wreckage]

I really like the separate books. Having a lot of the illumination off these here boards available within the book itself would be great too.

[johnstone]

As for me, I would much rather see a new BW-based fantasy game than a new edition of Burning Wheel, even if it was fully updated to the current state of the game. If it's just consolidated trait and skill lists that are new, I'm not interested.

[buzz]

Sorry, Burning Wheel plus Character Burner as one soft-cover volume. 608 pages makes it bigger than the Monster Burner, but smaller than BE (by about a quarter inch).
Seems kinda unwieldily to me, but I have no strong preference. I'm gonna buy it regardless. :)


No revision but reorganization of traits and skills.
Now THIS is appealing to me.

[Tork]

I'd much prefer to remain with the current two-book format, which I find works very well at the table. The current books are also more or less the perfect size for reading in bed, which is one of the main reasons that BW is one of the few games where I've read all the published material cover-to-cover.

[Crazy Jerome]

Got me to register. :) Within the stated limits, the draw for me is the reorg. I have a slight preference for the two books, but wouldn't be totally put off by a single book.

Now, what I would really like (even if it isn't on the table) is a complete reorg of all 4 books, perhaps resulting in 3-4 books total. In particular, it would be nice for all the magic stuff from the the first two books to be in the MaBu. OTOH, this isn't really that critical to us right now, since we are using the Art Magic stuff instead of the ChaBu magic. So put this in the category of Paul's desire for the PDF--my own selfish preference without regards to cost or usefulness to anyone else.

But yeah, a really clean reorg that makes it easier to create characters and find things--however that is accomplished--will get me buying more copies (and/or encouraging my players to do so).

[PetriWessman]

I would gladly buy a single-volume version, assuming it was also a reorganized at the same time (i.e. all magic stuff in one section, all combat stuff in one section, etc).

[Funky Phantom]

I also would prefer it to stay as two books. I like the durability and portability of the smaller books.

[Lazos]

My vote is to keep the two-book format. A fat digest-sized book 3 cm thick is just going to fall apart on me in a few months since these books get USED and not just read.

[runequester]

I didn't think I would, but I have actually really really come to enjoy the two book format.

[Saphim]

I prefer the several small boos approach. In actual play when I had to look something up it always went faster with Burning Wheel than any of the one core book RPGs.
Another thing is that my players are easily intimidated by huge rulebooks but the digest sized burning wheel core doesn't intimidate them as much. That sounds kinda silly but has led to them actually browsing the book when they have a question instead of asking me (a good thing) plus it is the only RPG book my wife ever read cover to back (also a good thing).
If anything I'd rather have some stuff go into an extra book, like for example split the character burner in two or three books. One containing lifepaths and one or two containing skills and/or traits. That would speed up character creation and the looking up of rules considerably.

[Aramis]

For me, I like single books with electronic editions. Search is a wonderful tool.

[Luke Fleeman]

I don't know if this is still a pertinent conversation, but I will say:

I like the books separate. When we are done burning characters, you can go to just the one book for the most part, which is convenient.

I also like how they look on my shelf in several little volumes. I find the books aesthetically pleasing right now.

[John]

I didn't realize the words "soft cover" didn't translate into your various languages.

So let me try this: NO HARD COVER. Hard cover = MORE MONEY.

The benefit: complete reorg/integration of skills and traits.

Discuss.
-L

eeehhmmm yes I know....

so lets retry this: you make it hardback, I give you money including extra money for the higher quality, better feeling, more durable, snazzier binding (und usually some of the extra money goes to the printer and some to the publisher, if I am not mistaken) ...

... and this is probably no surprise as I have been yapping on about hardback forever...

and yes I would even buy all individual reorg books in hardback, although I know they will be more...

maybe it would be worthwhile finding out how many people would put their money where their mouth is and cough up an extra 10U$ ?? (15?? 20??) for advanced binding?

and invidividual books are more convenient, easier to use several pages at once and/or only have the pertinent in hand

--- hides his head in mock shame as he has been going on about hardback again ---

[hansel]

Burning Wheel as a single volume, discuss.

-L

Eh, I don't think this is necessary at all. Though, if it did exist, I'd most likely buy it eventually.

[corey_s]

Re-org: yay.

One volume: nay.

[jessecoombs]

I haven't bought them at all myself, but if I was going to, I have to say that the 5 volume idea is already pretty cool. I'm weird that way. If you did do a single volume for the character burner and the burning wheel, I'd be less hesitant to buy the whole set for some reason. Unless you did it as a set of three: this book, the monster and magic burner as one, and an adventure and world burner as one. What's left though? Item burner? War burner? Campaign burner?

I'm a completist who likes things in nice neat groupings, so that's where I'd lean.

[corey_s]

Just throwing out an idea.


A new single volume (BWD "Burning Wheel Distilled"?), combining the following:

BWR: All of it

ChBu: 'Fire in the Garden', 'Character Burning', 'Lifepaths of Man' , 'General Skill List', 'General Trait List', 'Character Sheet'

MoBu: 'Welcome to the Fiery Depths', 'Monster Burner', 'Lists', 'Appendices'

MaBu: 'Religion', 'The Magic Burner'

AdBu: ???


Approx 660 pages -- about the size of Burning Empires

: or, remove LPs of Man, offer it as a free pdf; we'd then have a BW volume totally devoid of setting material


A second volume, (BWC "Buring Wheel Compendium"?), which contains all the material not included in "BWD"

[Tzelzix]

Hmm, would buy such a beast, probably. Well, I actually buy everything you publish. :D

My personal wet dream would be a pdf like paul described some pages ago. Put my address on the front page, I don't care (Hmm, personalized PDFs? You'll never fail to find the culprit if shared...). But that's unlikely, I know.

[naetuir]

There's only one way I would want to see one book. A standard sized (not BW sized) 500p-600p or so book that contains everything. All four primary books (Core, Character, Monster and Magic Burners) under one cover would be worth my money. As reference. Just the main two? Nah. Not worth it. Especially if it's not hardcover. The two separate books make it easy to hand a character burner across the table, while retaining the main rules.

More sections means better modularity. Any larger and it should be everything, for reference, not just the core books.

So, in short and due to Luke's earlier smackdown about soft cover and only the two main books, nope.

[Judd]

The Sword might be a solid thing to include if a single volume were to come out.

[buzz]

There's only one way I would want to see one book. A standard sized (not BW sized) 500p-600p or so book that contains everything. All four primary books (Core, Character, Monster and Magic Burners) under one cover would be worth my money.
I would love to see such an edition, even as just a limited-run thing. It'd be one of those game books you could smack down next to a stack of D&D tomes or HERO's mighty core and say, "Yeah, suck it!"

Or something.

[Clyde Rhoer]

I'd pay to see you go hostile, Buzz. So I guess that would be two for me.

[noofy]

Hey Gang,
Hope this isn't thread necromancy (it has been two months), any chastisement taken and noted. However, since I've searched and found no mention of special edition softbacks.....
What I mean by this, is that my vote goes for retaining the two volumes, though reorganised; with a moleskine style cover. Perhaps coloured depending on the volume (Fawn / Mahogany / Teal / Cobalt), and embossed on the cover with the Burning Wheel Logo.
How much more expensive than the much maligned hardback option? No Idea. Amount of folks who will purchase? Well, I know I will!
Cheers.

Oh, and although completely dreamlike, I would advocate a custom set of 10 Burning Wheel Dice that would come in a pouch with the set described above!

[David Artman]

Oh, and although completely dreamlike, I would advocate a custom set of 10 Burning Wheel Dice that would come in a pouch with the set described above!Sign the petition. ;)

Dice can be had with a group buy, but it's expensive.

[pseudoidiot]

Oh, and although completely dreamlike, I would advocate a custom set of 10 Burning Wheel Dice that would come in a pouch with the set described above!I've already got a pouch, I just need the dice :)

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