Congrats on another chicken-headed, mustachio statue!

[Clyde Rhoer]

Mouseguard has won best Roleplaying game at Origins. Congratulations guys.

[EarthenForge]

Hey, awesome - congratulations, guys! :D

[luke]

HOLY FUCK! (We beat Trail of Cthulhu and D&D 4e.)

[David Petersen]

Awesome!! Congrats Luke! You wrote a great game!

[Aramis]

HOLY FUCK! (We beat Trail of Cthulhu and D&D 4e.)

Three Cheers for Luke and David!

Hip, Hip!
... Huzzah!
Hip, Hip!
... Huzzah!
Hip, Hip!
... Huzzah!

[Deckard]

So the D&D failed again ;) The world will never be the same...

Congrats for BWHQ and thanks again - I know that it was long and hard way to success, but the game is brilliant! :)

[Robert Bohl]

I'm really blown away by this. Holy fuck, indeed.

[Rafe]

Wooohooo!! Who says a mouse can't take on an 800-pound gorilla? ;)

[luke]

So the D&D failed again ;) The world will never be the same...


The fucked up thing is that I'm not sure Mouse Guard is a better game than D&D 4e!

[Robert Bohl]

Wooohooo!! Who says a mouse can't take on an 800-pound gorilla? ;)

They used warfare rather than an outright fight. Maybe some Science.

[doycet]

The fucked up thing is that I'm not sure Mouse Guard is a better game than D&D 4e!

4th ed is a giant step up from 3e, but it's still not there as a fully realized, fully functional game that people can play without hacking (or hacking out) non-working rules.

Case in point: skill challenges. They're not supported well enough in the core rules for all-or-most GMs to reliably run them in a fun way at the table. Some guys can pull it off (@gamefiend on Twitter, for example), but most can't (such as the perfectly smart GM running the game I was in yesterday).

So: it's a sexy beast, and promises a lot of good in the next edition, but this iteration is simply not fully functional.

Mouse Guard is.

It may be a sparer game, with a more focused default setting, allowing for fewer options (on that face of it) than DnD, but in the fact that all of it totally works, perfectly, right out of the box (GM understanding withstanding), makes it the better game.

When DnD finally comes into its own, with all the cylinders firing and all the subsystems working, it will be unbelievable; but it's not there yet, and it will only get there by adapting and adopting systems from better games. Like MG.

[elmago79]

Tons of congrats!

And Mouse Guard is way more fun than D&D 4e in my book. That makes it better. And it seems the Origins people thought the same.

[Aramis]

The fucked up thing is that I'm not sure Mouse Guard is a better game than D&D 4e!

It is, Luke.

It's clear, concise, and does what it set out to do. It doesn't need lots of props, either.

For new players, MG is downright accessible; D&D 4E not so much.

[Clyde Rhoer]

They're both great games, and from what I've heard, Trail of Cthulu is rocking if you lean that way. However D+D didn't hit as well on presentation, or clarity of writing. Mouseguard is a better written, better looking book than 4e. 4e had some major flaws at it's release, poorly expressed skill challenges (,a fundamental part of the game,) and a non-currency mechanic in action points.

You deserve it, so set your inflated ego fears aside for a few days, dude.

[Paul B]

Fuck yeah.

p.

p.s. cannot WAIT to hear the wailing and the rending of the clothes over 2 theRPGsite

[DaGreatJL]

!!!!

Congradulations!

[ThisIsVictor]

Congratulations! Looking forward to the second edition with a huge "Game Of The Year" sticker slapped on the front!


The fucked up thing is that I'm not sure Mouse Guard is a better game than D&D 4e!

4e is good but it falls apart in a couple places. (skill challenges). MG holds together through the whole book and doesn't have any weak spots in the rules.

--Victor

[Tobias]

Sweet!

[John Anderson]

Hey well done, Luke et al. It does now mean that any new printing can have...

"Winner of 2009 Origins 'Best RPG' award" and "The fucked up thing is that I'm not sure Mouse Guard is a better game than D&D 4e!" both on the back.

John

[Talwyn]

Congrats! I finally ordered my copy of the game.

[Drozdal]

Luke - mission accomplished we beat Ken Hite! :D

[cathexis]

Fuck yeah.

p.

p.s. cannot WAIT to hear the wailing and the rending of the clothes over 2 theRPGsite

So far, nary a peep.

[Robert Bohl]

Yeah I dipped myself in the therpgsite sewer to see what was going on and was disappointed. It's actually an interesting conundrum. On one hand, Luke is evil swine, and on the other, D&D 4E rapes babies. I really can't wait to see where they come down on this.

[David Artman]

Was anyone from BWHQ there to receive the honors?

Gotten your store server some extra bandwidth for the month? MG wins Origins AND SSS09 comes out, when, in a few days/weeks? ;)

[luke]

Once again, we did not accept the award. I was playing Dominion and Mouse Guard with Peter, Thor, Jared and Jeff from True Dungeon.

-L

[Paul B]

Yeah I dipped myself in the therpgsite sewer to see what was going on and was disappointed. It's actually an interesting conundrum. On one hand, Luke is evil swine, and on the other, D&D 4E rapes babies. I really can't wait to see where they come down on this.

Total silence so far! :rolleyes:

I have to assume the general cultural position over there is "Origins is totally irrelevant." Except, of course, when Origins gives the nod to something that's "a real RPG" or whatever.

p.

[Aramis]

Actually, pundit has explicitly said he considers origins irrelevant to both gamers and the industry.

just shows a strong case of cranio-rectal insertion.

[Sempiternity]

Congrats on the second Origins!

[Jaroslav]

So the D&D failed again

Problem is, when D&D fails, there are no cool complications.

Congratulations, Luke.

[David Artman]

Problem is, when D&D fails, there are no cool complications.Unless you work at TSR.... :D

[Dwight]

Unless you work at TSR.... :D

I'm not sure where falling into a deep depression and drinking yourself to a early grave falls on the cool factor scale?

@Paul

I'm a little surprised you give him the page hit he stoops so low and desparately to get. :(

Give him time, he's just holding off so he can say something like "ok, ok, I don't think Origins counts for anything but since my opinion is so important and in demand, here it is ..." Then he'll go on about how this is just proof the swine are in control [of Origins awards, D&D, the United Nations, etc.] and driving the whole of RPGdom into the ground and dragging D&D with it. Is that really worth spending you bandwidth on when you could be using it for more wholesome, informative purposes. Like say Harry Potter/Sera Bella cross-license equine slash fic.

@Luke

At some point it gets a bit rude not showing up, especially when you've put the effort in to nominate yourself. ;)

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Well there goes my "heavy" quota for the whole month. :o On a positive note, congrats on winning. Sure it's a matter of taste and criteria specifics as to which is "better", both those games are quality and bring the fun (I can't speak form personal experience about Trail of C). But as pointed out the criteria aren't that convulted to have MG come out ahead. Just weight degree of completeness, and maybe price and accessibility, over 4e's further reach in scope and that about does it.

[Clyde Rhoer]

Unless you're privy to a secret... retailers nominate the award nominees at the Gama Trade Show, then us plebes vote at Origins.

Anyway, The Origins Awards (http://media.rawvoice.com/pg_specials/pulpstudiomedia.com/shows/PGSP-2009-07-06-006.mp3). ( Time > 28:40 and Time < 29:40 )

[Dwight]

Ah right, I was confusing this with probably the EN awards. So he puts in the effort to apply for other industry awards. Small difference, methinks.

[Deckard]

OK, I'm not a smartass, so i must ask for something. As we know we can nominate for Ennies fan award for world rul... I mean best publisher of course ;) So, who has created and published Mouseguard Roleplaying Game? I'm confused, because I saw Archaia on Ennies site, but on the other hand in book there is BW logo trademark and of course there is a list of creators with Luke and BWHQ-crew.

[luke]

ASP published Mouse Guard.

[Deckard]

OK, thx.

Hopefully until next year we also will have Bloodstained Stars and Freemarket ;)

[luke]

Right, because BWHQ certainly hasn't published enough books already.

[Aramis]

Right, because BWHQ certainly hasn't published enough books already.

No, they haven't.

Freemarket REALLY has me jonesing for it. At least I should be working again when it comes out... (tho', secretly, I was hoping the SSS would be Freemarket this year...)

[Trithemius]

(tho', secretly, I was hoping the SSS would be Freemarket this year...)

But not disappointed I hope? T'would be a shame to have to involve the Order of the the Seeking Fire in this matter... ;)


Oh yeah, and congratulations to Luke and David and everyone else involved...

Does anyone else find award shows sort of weird?

[Clyde Rhoer]

The Diana Jones award is cool, otherwise... yeah awards are weird, and way too secretive.

[luke]

Speaking of awards....

[Trithemius]

The Diana Jones award is cool, otherwise... yeah awards are weird, and way too secretive.


That was my single exception actually. I think it is mostly cool because it is so damn weird.