Jack vs Arakis (Commentary)

[jc_madden]

Arakis, the desert planet, home to the freemen. To some, it is known as DUNE. (snicker)

[Verrain]

He eats spice. What'cha gonna do? :)

[Verrain]

Thor said he'd ref this match starting tomorrow. I'll send him my guy.

[Yagathai]

It'll be interesting to see the Great Spiders in action, but I really think that Jack's pistol is a major advantage.

Edit: Now, with a Great Spider v. Kimdo match, my money would be on the arachnid.

[Thor Olavsrud]

We shall see. I think this will be a very interesting match.

[Yagathai]

To be fair, Jack should have only gotten a +1 penalty assuming that Arakis was dashing directly away from him.

Also, what about range modifiers?

[jc_madden]

Does the dash penalty get applied twice?? I thought it was a straight +3ob if either of us are dashing. Either way I missed, +3 ob doesn't make a difference.

[Thor Olavsrud]

Does the dash penalty get applied twice?? I thought it was a straight +3ob if either of us are dashing. Either way I missed, +3 ob doesn't make a difference.

Sorry, I forgot about He's Coming Right For Us, because the book is poorly organized.

It's +1 Ob for Arakis' dash, +3 Ob for your dash, and +4 Ob for long range for a total of +8 Ob on top of your regular 1 Ob. Total Ob = 9.

[jc_madden]

You forgot to mention something about the revision being better... :P

And like I said the 2ob difference didn't make ANY. Though 3 successes on my 5 Black dice isn't too shabby. I was thinking I shouldn't have dashed BUT if i hadn't I woulda been out of pistol range anyway so it's moot.

[Thor Olavsrud]

You forgot to mention something about the revision being better... :P

I would go on for so long that we'd all die of hunger. :lol:

Missile combat in the revision is very different at range, and VERY cool. I foresee people wanting to play Wild West games with BW once the new rules are released.

[Thor Olavsrud]

And like I said the 2ob difference didn't make ANY. Though 3 successes on my 5 Black dice isn't too shabby. I was thinking I shouldn't have dashed BUT if i hadn't I woulda been out of pistol range anyway so it's moot.

You still would have gotten your shot off, as it was the very first action. 10 paces is absolute maximum range for pistol though. You still would have missed had you stood still. You would have had an 6 Ob (Ob 1 standard, +1 for Arakis' dash, +4 for Long Range). The only way for you to do it would be to roll a 6 on the gunpowder die and then roll another success (assuming you had 4 successes on your skill dice).

[Yagathai]

What I think might have worked better for you, Jack (and I hope I'm not shooting myself in the foot by telling you this now) is this script:

V1 A1: Acquire/Aim
V1 A2: Aim
Dash towards


V2 A1: Aim
V2 A2: Aim
Dash towards

V3 A1: Fire!
Stand Still

And forfeit V2 A2 aim to "Fire!" conditionally on whether or not the spider gets in at least Medium range. It's risky, but if it succeeds you get a shot off with the benefit of lots of aiming.

[jc_madden]

Yeah probably a good idea, but I was expecting more than Avoid Avoid in V1.

[Verrain]

Yeah probably a good idea, but I was expecting more than Avoid Avoid in V1.

I was counting on you expecting more than Avoid, Avoid in Volley One. :D

[Yagathai]

But what would happen in Volley 1 that would stop that script from working? The spider couldn't get all 10 paces to you in one action, and it couldn't have Chow Yun Fat so even a ranged web attack would be at a snapshot penalty...

[Thor Olavsrud]

But what would happen in Volley 1 that would stop that script from working? The spider couldn't get all 10 paces to you in one action, and it couldn't have Chow Yun Fat so even a ranged web attack would be at a snapshot penalty...

Spiders are VERY fast...

[Yagathai]

Which is why Jack dashes backward for his aiming actions.

[jc_madden]

Not enough. My dash backwards is 3, his is 4, he sprints... he eats me.

[Thor Olavsrud]

Which is why Jack dashes backward for his aiming actions.

V1 A1: Acquire/Aim
V1 A2: Aim
Dash towards


V2 A1: Aim
V2 A2: Aim
Dash towards

They'd be locked in melee in no time. And if Jack does dash back, it would require the spider to move toward him for him to be in range at all. Also, I'll double-check, but I'm fairly certain you can only reduce your Ob by half your Perception by Aiming.

[Thor Olavsrud]

Not enough. My dash backwards is 3, his is 4, he sprints... he eats me.

Yours is 2 paces, actually. No disinformation if you volunteer this sort of thing! :lol:

[Yagathai]

You're right -- if the spider can close 12 paces in one sprinting round, you're screwed. =)

[jc_madden]

Also, I'll double-check, but I'm fairly certain you can only reduce your Ob by half your Perception by Aiming.

You are correct.


Yours is 2 paces, actually. No disinformation if you volunteer this sort of thing!

No disinformation intended just my bad math. But there you have it 2 vs 4 is even worse.

[Thor Olavsrud]

It's definitely getting interesting!

[jc_madden]

on with the killing!

[Verrain]

My sentiments exactly though I think we have different ideas on who is in the starring role. :)

[jc_madden]

I am already dead.

[Thor Olavsrud]

My bad! Jack can't sever the line in one strike from his sword. Revising now!

EDIT to add: The post is now fixed.

[Verrain]

Hurrah for the strength of Spider Silk. :)

[jc_madden]

biosteel is the coolest. still it was a good volley for me.

[Yagathai]

Yeah, but how much did you have to forfeit?

[Thor Olavsrud]

Yeah, but how much did you have to forfeit?

It was Volley 1 of Exchange 2. There weren't any forfeits.

[jc_madden]

suspense killing me...

[Kublai]

Go Jack! You da man! :P

[jc_madden]

Kiai!

[Kublai]

Yay! The lariat is gone!

[Thor Olavsrud]

Unfortunately, I failed to remember that lunging distance for a spear is 4 paces, not 3, so I've had to revise the last volley a little bit. It didn't change the outcome at all though.

[Kublai]

I've been using 3 paces as Lunging for spears and 4 paces as being Outside Striking Range.

[Thor Olavsrud]

I've been using 3 paces as Lunging for spears and 4 paces as being Outside Striking Range.

I know. But as Verrain pointed out, the book says a spear can lunge at 4 paces.

[jc_madden]

The spider has a spear?

[Thor Olavsrud]

The spider has a spear?

He has the Elongated Forelegs trait, which gives him the reach of a spear.

[jc_madden]

I see.

[Thor Olavsrud]

Hey guys, sorry it took so long. This will probably be the only Volley today. I have to get some work done. :cry:

[Verrain]

Real life over gaming? Honestly, what is this world coming to? ;)

[Kublai]

Shoot, Jack! Shoot NOW!!! :shock:

[Thor Olavsrud]

I have to hand it to you Verrain, that was a text book example of the proper way to use a Forfeit. Bravo!

[jc_madden]

Yes Verrain I agree, good show. Of course I WANTED you to come closer....

[RickoniX]

Yeah, but this point blank pistol shot will definitely hurt


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jc cut me off :P

[Yagathai]

This is quite exciting.

[Verrain]

Indeed. The suspense is killing me.

Of course so might a pistol shot but hey all's fair in love and arena combat. :)

[jc_madden]

Jack prefer's it UNfair. :twisted:

edit seeing now what you are doing that was a true gambit, lets see if it works out for you. the dice are NOT looking good for jack.... :(

[Kublai]

FIIIRRREEE!!!


BID THE HELL out of your actions and shoot that monster!!

[jc_madden]

HOLY COW, lucky lucky lucky.

[Verrain]

Two dice down. How many to go I wonder? :)

[Thor Olavsrud]

That was incredibly close! If not for the Artha and the spider's Dash, things would be looking very, very grim for Jack right now! As it is, I have no idea what's going to happen!

[Thor Olavsrud]

I'm biting my nails in anticipation!

[Yagathai]

Me too.

Because, you know, I totally call winner.

[Thor Olavsrud]

Oh man! What an intense fight. It all came down to a single Die of Fate roll! Jack's chances were 50/50. If he had rolled a 4, he would have done a B8 wound to Arakis (Severe!). A 5 or 6 would have done a B11 and killed Arakis outright!

Well fought, both of you!

[Verrain]

Some days the dice love you! Whew! Great fight jc! A real nail biter right down to the end.

[jc_madden]

Yep the dice were the end decider I knew I needed a 5 or 6 to end it. I had hoped the DoF woulda been more kind. Good fight from you as well. The level of improvement in your tactics from the first fight was outstanding.

[Thor Olavsrud]

Some days the dice love you! Whew! Great fight jc! A real nail biter right down to the end.

Both Luke and I groaned when you decided to Dash though. For future consideration: Had you Sprinted then instead of Dashed, you could have stated that you were circling around him but keeping the same distance. You would have been just as close, but his Ob would have gone up by +6 rather than +1! With the roll he made, he still would have hit you, but he would not have gotten the +1 to his DoF. True, you probably would not have done very well on your Lock, but Jack would have discharged his pistol and would have had to go back to his swords.

[jc_madden]

Well not only that but the Lariat was attached, at he was at optimum range for a pull, charging in just seemed counter-intuitive to the whole lariat combat option.

I guess it's Troll time.... did we get a verdict on that?

[Thor Olavsrud]

Well not only that but the Lariat was attached, at he was at optimum range for a pull, charging in just seemed counter-intuitive to the whole lariat combat option.

I guess it's Troll time.... did we get a verdict on that?

I dunno. I think the Lock was the right move. True, it was risky, but the best he was going to do with the net was pull you off your feet. It may have worked, it may not. You'd been doing very well with your Natural Defenses until that point.

[Yagathai]

Kublai runs this joint. I guess that trolls are up to him.

I would, however, like to challenge Arakis, the desert pla... er, I mean, the giant spider.

You up to it, Verrain?

[Kublai]

For future consideration: Had you Sprinted then instead of Dashed, you could have stated that you were circling around him but keeping the same distance.

That is the most cheatin-ist thing I've heard all day! I would never allow a person to use Sprint in that manner. Sprinting as we've played it means moving in a straight line. You ever try to sprint in a tight circle around someone? It's a little impossible, I feel. You'll most likely be jogging around him.

[Thor Olavsrud]

That is the most cheatin-ist thing I've heard all day! I would never allow a person to use Sprint in that manner. Sprinting as we've played it means moving in a straight line. You ever try to sprint in a tight circle around someone? It's a little impossible, I feel. You'll most likely be jogging around him.

Take it up with Luke! He was the one that mentioned it.

[Kublai]

I would but he's not online! :twisted:

[Yagathai]

Well, clearly the two of you need to settle this issue...

... in a CAGEMATCH!

[luke]

I would but he's not online! :twisted:

meh. it's a frickin' spider. could have sprinted past him, or over him. both viable when it is defintely the one in control of the fight.

The pistol should not reign god almighty on the inside. It's nasty, but not that nasty (and apparently not nasty enough).

Good job, Verrain. Lock was the right choice.

-L

[Verrain]

Lock was a calculated risk. The die of fate made it the right choice. :)

[Thor Olavsrud]

The pistol should not reign god almighty on the inside. It's nasty, but not that nasty (and apparently not nasty enough).

Well, that's what you get with a 2 on the DoF. Even if I had used the rules you actually play with and not the rules in the book (where over Ob gives +1 to DoF, Double Ob gives +2 and Quadruple Ob gives +3), it STILL would have been an Incidental.

[luke]

Well, clearly the two of you need to settle this issue...

... in a CAGEMATCH!

I'll fight Pete in a Cagematch if I can use a spider...

-L

PS Pete always wins when he fights me, so it would be more for your enjoyment than mine.

[jc_madden]

Here is Jack, I messed up on his Beliefs and Instincts i think. I'm getting the hang of it though.

Concept: A western soldier captured in battle and trained in the ways of the Samurai.

Character Name: Jack Calgary was once known as White Tiger
Born a noble he joined the Kings army at an early age and became an excellent officer. In a war against the great Middle Kingdom of the east he was captured and eventually earned his freedom by defending his master in battle and was taught the ancient way of Taikashido. Jack was then married to a local woman but she and his lord were struck down. Not accepting defeat he refused to commit Seppuku and swore vengeance and became a Ronin. He wandered the land seeking the one who sent the Ninja’s to assassinate his Lord and lady love, but never found him. Bitter he resigned to fighting for money without honor. He is a drunk and a braggart and doesn’t fight very fair but his skills cannot be denied.

Lifepaths: Born Noble, Lead to Soldier, Foot-Soldier, lead to Noble, Squire, lead to Outcast, Spirit Boxer

Age: 25

Stats: Pe:B6 Wi:B3 Ag:B5 Sp:B5(4) Po:B4 Fo:B4

Attributes: Re:B5 Ste:B7 He: MW:B10 Hesitation:7 Faith: N/A Presence: N/A Resources: 40

PTGS: Su:B3 Li:B5 Mi:B7 Se:B8 Tr:B9 Mo:B10

Skills: Armor Training, Brawling B2, Doctrine B2, Sword B2, Pistol B4, Taikashido G5 (Gliding Feet, Blazing Wings, Water Sheath, Sweeping Wind Strike, Glittering Star Catcher, Weaving Snake, Pillar of Heaven)

Gear: Superior Daisho, 2 Run of the Mill Pistols (primed and loaded), Run of the Mill Full suit of Chainmail Armor (including coif), A bottle of corn mash whiskey.

Association and Contacts: None

Traits: Cow Yun Fat

Beliefs:
- Fighting fair is for fools, always fight dirty.
- Nothing messes a grappler’s day up more then a gut shot with a pistol, if someone gets inside, let them have it with that spare pistol you’ve been holding onto.
- A swig of whiskey cures all that ails ya.

Instincts:
- Always begin in aggressive stance.
- Always carries two loaded pistols and use one first and save one for backup.
- Always FoRK Brawling and Sword with Taikashido.