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eruditus
02-16-2005, 04:21 PM
I think that a W9 with the trait "Last Son of Krypton" and "Powered by a Yellow Sun" would work fine. No need to get crazy.

Re: Hulk v. Superman: The Hulk has never, ever actually been taken down in a knock-down, drag-out 'fair' fight. The harder you hit him, the angrier he gets and the stronger he gets.

But Supers would totally win in a fight. Hulk can't fly, and he can't hold his breath forever.
Although these are examples I think the discussion about the exploits of supes and the hulk are best kept in its own area...

Actually The Hulk WAS beaten in a knock-down, drag out 'fair' fight, unless you do not count Juggernauts superpower 'fair.' juggernaut, without his armor, takes out the Hulk for some agency after finding out that his super power is that he cannot be stopped and that it counts toward his mental endevours as well as his physical ones.

There is no question that the DC characters like Aquaman, Flash, Superman and Wonderwoman has white stats. As yagathai aptly points out, they are gods. They are divine. There is no other qualifier needed. Superman's white physical stats may outclass Aquaman's white swimming, Forte and Strength (he can withstand deep ocean pressure and still move, for neptune's sake) but they are still white.

Most marvel character with exceptions are in the gray shade where more DC characters than not are in the white shade. This is what makes Batman so much cooler than everyone. With a G8 Steel and maybe G8 perception everything else is simple the top of human potential.

As far as The Hulk vs Superman? that's tough. The Hulk would be one of the few heroes in Marvel that touches White stats. One of his traits would actually be a scaling mechanism that runs off his Rage. His Strength and Forte rise along as, I would guess, the PTGS goes from black to gray to white. The Hulk actually has no upper limit on Strength. Superman does. However, get him early and he's vulnerable.
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luke
02-16-2005, 05:48 PM
which, I hope, clearly demonstrates why you shouldn't be playing a supers game with Burning Wheel!

If Superman has white shade stats, what room do we have left for gods?

Superman and other 4c heroes are never, ever about the powerz. They are about the issues -- the Hulk can't be stopped, that's his issue. Superman is an alien among men, he looks like one of us, but he doesn't fit in. That's his issue.

Superman, Spiderman et omnes are rife with powerscale discrepancies. Superman should be able to solve any issue instantly -- by the numbers. But he can't. His humanity gets in the way. Peter Parker would be a happy millionaire, if only he didn't have all those hang-ups.

That's what 4c heroes are about. Not about out-cocking the opposition.

-L

eruditus
02-17-2005, 08:19 AM
I see you've been hanging with Mike Miller again... ;)


which, I hope, clearly demonstrates why you shouldn't be playing a supers game with Burning Wheel!

If Superman has white shade stats, what room do we have left for gods?

Superman and other 4c heroes are never, ever about the powerz. They are about the issues -- the Hulk can't be stopped, that's his issue. Superman is an alien among men, he looks like one of us, but he doesn't fit in. That's his issue.

Superman, Spiderman et omnes are rife with powerscale discrepancies. Superman should be able to solve any issue instantly -- by the numbers. But he can't. His humanity gets in the way. Peter Parker would be a happy millionaire, if only he didn't have all those hang-ups.

That's what 4c heroes are about. Not about out-cocking the opposition.

-L

Manicrack
02-17-2005, 02:39 PM
well, ok, i guess most DC heroes have some white stats, attributes and skills, but not all. I doubt superman is all white, i guess will is grey and so is probably perception, if not bacl.
As i said in the original discussion, I think Superman is relatively open to mental attacks.
The one Marvel character who is the most white of all in my guess is Jean Grey in her crazy Phoenix form(come on, she's possessed by a freaking god/world devourer, depending on what storyline you follow). At least form all I know.


-Crack

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